Back D 'treble, roll or cran' and OAIM pipe tuition

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Back D 'treble, roll or cran' and OAIM pipe tuition

Post by PIPERFOOL16 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:58 am

Dear Sirs,
would anyone be able to explain or have an idea where I can see a video demonstration of the technique used on the back D described variously as a cran, roll or treble please? There is a description of it towards the end of the H.J. Clarke tutor with a recommendation that the tune 'Father O' Flynn' is a good one to practise on. I would like to use it in 'Toss the Feathers'. This tune features in the 2nd volume of the NPU's video series 'The Art of Uilleann Piping' but unfortunately it is used to illustrate bottom D crans and although Gay McKeon uses the technique for the back D in the tune he does not explain it. However many times I try to look at the video frame by frame I cannot make out exactly what is happening (and of course I cannot hear it at the same time). The Clarke tutor describes one way of performing it as sliding the thumb up and down over the hole, but emphasises the importance of rhythm.

Secondly, I wondered if anyone has used the OAIM uilleann pipe tuition lessons given by Mike Smyth? Any feedback on their usefulness would be much appreciated.

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Post by djm » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:13 am

I can help a little on the back D cran, but no video.

Play the back D.
Swipe downwards over the hole with the corner of your thumb. Make sure you cover the hole enough to cut the sound off completely for a just moment in passing.
Swipe upwards over the hole with the corner of your thumb, again making sure you completely close off the back D hole momentarily as your thumb passes.
Then close the back D hole with your thumb to complete the roll.
Repeat.

Go slowly. Make sure you shut the sound off each time you swipe with the thumb, both downward and upward.
Slowly speed up your practice of the back D roll, making sure to completely close the back D hole each time you swipe.
You can add more swipes before the final closing of the back D hole to suit the tune.

Some people shun the back D roll. Pat Mitchell is often quoted as the authority behind this prejudice. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. I love the sound of a good stacatto back D roll. It's one of the few ornaments you can use to spice up this note.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with OAIM.

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Post by Mr.Gumby » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:25 am

the authority behind this prejudice
An aesthetic decision is hardly a prejudice.

Wasn't there someone who said that if you want to rub your hole, please have the decency to do it in private?

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Post by wooff » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:24 am

Was it not Seamus Ennis who commented in regard to those ' skid thumb triplets' something to the effect of " My father would never have done that!"

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Post by djm » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:19 am

And look what happened to him. ;)

There are no uilleann police, just those who would try to bully and browbeat others with their own personal tastes. Roll on if you choose, I say.

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Post by Otto Kraan » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:36 am

Many players swipe their back Ds so much that they are unable to perform nice, staccato "lift" Ds :evil: . Actually, that was me, a few years back :oops: . Using d-e-d triplets broke me of my swipe-only Ds.
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Post by PJ » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:38 pm

djm wrote:Swipe downwards over the hole with the corner of your thumb...
My thumb has no corner. Does that mean I'm a freak? :lol:
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Post by djm » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:22 am

Oh, I'll bet it does, PJ, but you're tempting me to follow the path of evil... :twisted:

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Re: Back D 'treble, roll or cran' and OAIM pipe tuition

Post by chaos97 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:36 pm

Is there a known origin to this technique? Possibly Highlands (I don't play myself-is that something they do?) Is there evidence of it existing pre-Paddy Keenan?

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