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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by tewen » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:28 pm

Hey Guys -

I am ready to buy a practice set. I took lessons for a bit while studying abroad 3 years ago and want to get back in the habit. Wanted to know your recommendations for decent half and practice sets. My price range is anywhere from 400 - 1800 (for the right set of pipes).

- What good things should I be looking for? (materials, age, makers)
- What bad things should I be looking for? ("")
- Any other advice?

Also, if you're selling pipes, feel free to contact me.

Thanks,

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Post by the plod » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:14 pm

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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by Mac13 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:11 pm

Hi,
I am looking for advice for where to find the best way to learn to play uilleann pipes. would be great to find a tutor in Newcastle, England! I am one of these "seeing learners"! i find it difficult to learn from a book. I can already playe the Bagpipes, but would learn to play something a little more easy on the ear. Any advice about what to buy and where? It the Tin Whistle the same fingering? is this the best way to start play and learning the different fingering?
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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by outofthebox » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:40 am

The tin whistle is a good pathway to the pipes - because it has the same two octave range, although the approach to fingering is very different on the UP chanter, as the fingers must stretch much further to cover the holes. I'm sure that there must be a piper or two in the Newcastle area who can give you some advice and help you get started. Try asking any Irish musicians in the area and they might help you make some useful contacts.

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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by Mr.Gumby » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:37 am

the approach to fingering is very different on the UP chanter, as the fingers must stretch much further to cover the holes
Don't you think there's a much more fundamental difference?
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Post by uilleannmarseille » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:38 pm

BigDog wrote:Hi Folks,

Here are the top 10 things I want to know:

1) How long is it going to really take to learn this wild thing?

2) Where is the best place to find the fingerings for all the main notes and accidentals the chanter can play?

3) Should I start with Airs first or should I start learning all the ornamentation and fast fingering with jigs and reels?

4) How can I get faster at playing?

5) How do I know my rig is setup correctly?

6) How do I keep my rig airtight? What should I be looking for? How often should I be checking?

7) How do I tune my chanter quickly and effectively?

8) What is the best way to learn the pipes? I can read music and I have a good ear. I realize I have to put in the time to practice and live by the Law of the Harvest. I know it will take time. For the really experienced pipers: If you could go back and do it all over again, how would you go about learning the pipes with the knowledge and hindsight you have now?

9) The death grip sneaks up on me all the time. How do I stay relaxed in my wrists, hands, and fingers while I am working the bellows and bag?

10) What is the best way to relax after experiencing the deathgrip without putting the pipes down?

I realize there may be many answers to these and will differ as much as people are different. Thank you for sharing your experience and insights with me.


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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by Jadesfire007 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:54 pm

Hello guys and gals... Just signed up on the forums today and already have a question. I have no clue when i first heard the UP but I know the first time I saw it was Gaelic storms Steerage party on Titanic. Ever since then I have an urge to try out the UP. I have been looking around and keep hearing people talk about the Tin whistle or the Bb so I started looking around. The UP chanter has 8 holes but the whistles only have 6. How do the whistles help learn the notes if you are missing two holes. Maybe I am missing something...


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Post by awilde569 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:47 pm

If your talking about a basic non-keyed chanter then there's some differences between the two, but the basic notes would be the same (although pipes are tuned to just intonation to harmonize with the drones) barring your hard/soft bottom note. Here's a few things to note, but there are variations and exceptions depending on make the make of chanter and/or whistle, and style of fingering on chanter (using closed/staccato here):

- The chanter can have an open fingering, closed fingering, or combination thereof. The whistle is open fingering where you pretty much just keep uncovering additional holes from bottom to top to sound up the scale.
- Your lowest note on both is the bell note (bottom of the whistle and chanter)
- Assuming key of D and then your "E" note on the chanter is generally the first two fingers on your lower hand lifted vs just one finger on the whistle
- Also assuming key of D then your "B" note on the chanter is generally the first two fingers on your upper hand lifted vs the lowest 5 toneholes lifted on the whistle
- Once again assuming key of D the chanter has an extra tone hole for high D (or second octave D) whereas the whistle you over-blow with all the tone holes covered to achieve the same
- The chanter has two lower octave D's generally, the "hard" and "soft" which the whistle just has one (more ornamentation factor)
- A chanter many times will have keys for the accidentals (sharps/flats outside the regular notes of the key) but can be cross fingered/half-holed for some (if not all potentially), the whistle is strictly cross fingering and half-holing for those notes with the occasional exception of a c-natural or f-natural (assuming key of d again) on some 7 or 8 hole whistles (not quite as common)

For learning a tune it's been easier in my experience to play it on a whistle before attempting it on the pipes, but then again I'm still learning on both. Just my two cents worth, hope it helps.
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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by the plod » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:57 pm

actually the fingering is different, use the whistle to learn the tunes while you are waiting for your pipes to arrive.

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Post by Draighean » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:03 am

the plod wrote:actually the fingering is different, use the whistle to learn the tunes while you are waiting for your pipes to arrive.
I agree.

In addition, most of the ornamentation technique is the same, so you can practice your cuts, rolls, cranning, vibrato, etc. on the whistle too.

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Post by haddockswhiskey » Tue May 22, 2012 11:53 pm

Hi, just joined, I found this site to be of great help. I'm waiting on a second hand half set of pipes to arrive so I am reading as much as I can before they are delivered. Reed making looks very interesting, I plan on giving it a go in the very near future.

Is anyone based in Perth western Australia? If so I might invite you over for no reason in particular! :mrgreen:

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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by maki » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:55 am

Hello.
Just bought my first chanter, a Daye Penny Chanter.
Its going to be a little while before I have enough to complete my practice set.
Looks like LA is a good area to start UPs, several pros who give lessons to choose from, a couple active
sessions, and a good local club.
Alls I need is mo' money, but thats just a matter of time.
Meanwhile I can play my whistles, learn more tunes, and try try try to get the rythems down.
I'd have held off posting till I got my set together but it looks like I need a minimum number of posts
to read some files.

EDITED TO ADD- Looks like I've got a line on a Daye bellows and bags. YEAH!
I'mo be a piper yet!
My only regret is not making more mistakes.

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Post by JH1984 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:54 am

Hi Maki,

I've been playing on a Daye half set for about a month now. It's definitely a nice way to learn without breaking the bank, although I do plan on upgrading to a wood chanter in the near future. While I don't think the tone of the penny chanter can rival that of a well made wood chanter, it does the job and the intonation is spot on. I'm extremely pleased with the Daye drones, too, though I've been concentrating mostly on the chanter when I practice.

Have you looked into the Clarke tutor? It's really a nice book with a lot of great tunes, available on Amazon.com. I've also found the video tutors on Na Piobairi Uilleann to be very helpful. That's great that you have several pros in LA to choose from...that should help you immensely! I'm hoping to find an instructor eventually here in the Philly area.

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Post by maki » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:00 pm

Thanks for the hello JH1984.
My future tutor said much the same as you.
It won't be long now!
I've also joined the local pipers club;
Southern California Uilleann Pipers Club
http://www.socalpipers.com/

Say doesn't Philly have a huge ITM and Piping scene?
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Re: newbies start here - New to the uilleann pipes?

Post by maki » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:45 pm

Ordered the Clarke UP tutorial, thanks.
Any other learning material for n00bs you can recommend besides the Na Piobairi Uilleann?
Mucho Garcia!
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